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Feedback Please :: RE: MoveNanny

Nancy1989 — Fri, 09 May 2008 13:29:23 GMT

Author: Nancy1989
Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 6:29 am (GMT -7)

Herbert, you took the words right out of my mouth!

Is movenanny affiliated with moveme.com?
The concept is entirely the same, and it looks the same... so what are the benefits of using you over moveme?

Business-to-Consumer :: Brand new Apple MacBook (MB062LL/A) Mac Notebook.....$500usd

mackstores — Fri, 09 May 2008 11:04:51 GMT

Author: mackstores
Subject: Brand new Apple MacBook (MB062LL/A) Mac Notebook.....$500usd
Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 4:04 am (GMT -7)

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Feedback Please :: RE: MoveNanny

herbert — Fri, 09 May 2008 10:36:59 GMT

Author: herbert
Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 3:36 am (GMT -7)

It looks remarkably similar to the move planner on moveme.com.. You've even pinched some of their ideas directly, like the sliding house to pick the completion date! I wouldn't be surprised if they contact you about that pretty shortly..

MLM... umm... err... Network Marketing :: Fighting the "I don't have the money", excuse!

furrychinguy — Fri, 09 May 2008 06:22:51 GMT

Author: furrychinguy
Subject: Fighting the "I don't have the money", excuse!
Posted: Thu May 08, 2008 11:22 pm (GMT -7)

do you ever get that excuse about not having the money.
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Business-to-Consumer :: Come check out the Great Christian Toys

jenniferlee — Thu, 08 May 2008 18:57:01 GMT

Author: jenniferlee
Subject: Come check out the Great Christian Toys
Posted: Thu May 08, 2008 11:57 am (GMT -7)

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This is Who I Am ... This is What I Do (or want to do). :: RE: Greeting From A Former Telemarketer! (who hung up the phone)

Ronda — Thu, 08 May 2008 16:46:30 GMT

Author: Ronda
Posted: Thu May 08, 2008 9:46 am (GMT -7)

Welcome, Ethan!

I cannot imagine anything worse than being a telemarketer! I bet you heard lots of clicks from being hung up on, huh? Telemarketers are number one on my pet peeve list. Glad to hear you are no longer pestering people!

I look forward to learning more about your ebook expertise.
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This is Who I Am ... This is What I Do (or want to do). :: RE: Greeting From A Former Telemarketer! (who hung up the phone)

Pete223 — Thu, 08 May 2008 15:37:53 GMT

Author: Pete223
Posted: Thu May 08, 2008 8:37 am (GMT -7)

Welcome aboard Ethan,

First off let me say, sorry for hanging up
on you... Yeah, I`m one of those !!!
I have a 2 sec. rule for telemarketers...

As an eBook publisher, I'm sure you will have
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Everything Traffic & Search Engines :: RE: Traffic

EthanEvans — Thu, 08 May 2008 15:30:26 GMT

Author: EthanEvans
Subject: Re: Traffic
Posted: Thu May 08, 2008 8:30 am (GMT -7)

chastill wrote:

What are the best ways to get traffic?

Hello!

It really depends on your budget, and your goals.

To the extent you're able to share a little bit more information, that would be
really helpful. It would be easy for me to assume a few things about what you
are trying to do, but I've found that my psychic skills are downright lousy.

One of my best friends always likes saying that you can usually get a lot of
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appropriate or applicable piece of advice. It depends a lot on your situation.

Talk soon,
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This is Who I Am ... This is What I Do (or want to do). :: RE: Greeting From A Former Telemarketer! (who hung up the phone)

EthanEvans — Thu, 08 May 2008 14:44:23 GMT

Author: EthanEvans
Posted: Thu May 08, 2008 7:44 am (GMT -7)

Indeed! Thank you for the kind welcome Dave. -Ethan
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This is Who I Am ... This is What I Do (or want to do). :: RE: Greeting From A Former Telemarketer! (who hung up the phone)

PastorDave — Thu, 08 May 2008 12:24:25 GMT

Author: PastorDave
Posted: Thu May 08, 2008 5:24 am (GMT -7)

Evan,

It is good to meet you. We all enjoy having new people join our group. Hope we can have some great conversations and help each other in our business adventures.
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Online Business & Marketing :: RE: How Important Is To Get Money Quick From Internet Marketing?

RyanCrest — Thu, 08 May 2008 09:08:07 GMT

Author: RyanCrest
Posted: Thu May 08, 2008 2:08 am (GMT -7)

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I've Just Gotta Tell Someone... :: I've Just Gotta Tell Someone...

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Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 10:24 pm (GMT -7)

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MLM... umm... err... Network Marketing :: The #1 Threat to YOU in any MLM pay plan!

profitclinic — Thu, 08 May 2008 00:50:06 GMT

Author: profitclinic
Subject: The #1 Threat to YOU in any MLM pay plan!
Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 5:50 pm (GMT -7)

G'day gang

I wrote this article for one of my private web sites a few years ago. I figured that it might help a few people in this part of the forum, so here it is. It's copyright to me, and may only be reproduced if it's kept intact in every aspect, including this copyright statement and my personal information.

Enjoy! (Or not, depending on who you are and what you're trying to hide.)

Why breakage is the biggest risk YOU face in network marketing... and why no-one ever talks about it!

Breakage is unclaimable bonus income that distributors (especially part-time people) fail to earn because of high group volume and downline rank requirements that stop them from qualifying in almost every pay plan. It rolls right past you on its way upline to the Heavy Hitters and to the company itself. It's the hush-hush secret that MLM companies never want to talk about, for one very good reason... because it's one of their biggest sources of hidden profits, earned at YOUR expense!

In this warts-and-all article I'll expose how MOST network marketing companies use breakage to fleece their networks -- especially their part-time distributors, who make up 90% of all networkers!

Why are Personal Group Volume and Downline Rank requirements so unfair?

In most plans, the bigger your personal group bonus pie is, the bigger your percentage share of that pie will be. This is great when your downline is working. When it's not working, though, it's not just the size of the pie that shrinks. So does YOUR SHARE... you're hit by a costly Double Whammy!

In a balanced, fair compensation plan, your personal percentage of the group bonus is determined by your personal performance... nobody else's. (The size of the bonus pie will always be determined by your personal group's performance, since that's the only place it can come from, regardless of the type of compensation plan in use.)

But isn't the company the #1 risk to every network marketer?

If you visit my web site at http://www.EvaluateMLM.com you'll learn that the #1 risk for every network marketer is always the company they choose to work with. But if breakage is created by the compensation plan, and the plan is #2 on the list of factors for evaluation, why does the headline at the top of this page say that BREAKAGE is the biggest risk you face?

Because breakage reveals the true motives of the company. The more breakage it earns in unclaimable bonus income, the bigger the risk to you. Because not only will YOU be robbed by breakage, so will everyone in your downline team!

And when your downline distributors find that they can't earn enough to get into profit, they'll quit... leaving YOU high and dry and even less likely to qualify for those already hard-to-earn bonuses that keep rolling up to the company.

Here's a useful saying you should always remember, especially in network marketing...

"Actions reveal what words conceal."

Regardless of the noble sentiments expressed in its literature, on its web site or at meetings, if a company adopts a compensation plan that creates excessive breakage, it does so for one of two reasons...

The people running the company don't know what they're doing!

They either copied another company's plan or they were advised to use it by a consultant they hired. What this really means is that they have little or no experience or understanding of network marketing. They're ignorant or incompetent, or both -- so the entire operation is constantly at risk from other poorly informed, high-risk management decisions they make that will directly impact on YOUR business!
The people running the company know exactly what they're doing!

They deliberately designed or adopted a compensation plan with breakage in order to rake off the windfall profits from that breakage... at the expense of their part-time distributors.

Does knowing this inspire YOU with confidence in the people running YOUR company?

How do they get away with it? And how do they keep it so quiet?

Think carefully about who benefits from breakage: the company and the heavy hitters perched at the top of their mega-groups... huge distributor networks with tens of thousands, even hundreds of thousands, of distributors, most of them part-time and with not a lot of business experience. So they don't really know what to look for in choosing a network marketing company to work with, and they're soon blinded by the "smoke-and-mirrors" conjuring tricks that confuse, distract and misdirect them in exactly the same ways that carnival spruikers and magicians have used to separate the "rubes" from their money for centuries.

See if any of these practices are familiar to you...

During business opportunity presentations, the prospects' attention is focused on the potential of the pay plan, especially the long-term, residual, "walk-away" income. (The real-life realities -- that 90% of part-time people only sponsor between 3 and 6 new people personally, and rarely build more than two or three levels deep -- are never mentioned. Anyone who asks is discouraged, or dismissed as "negative", a "dream stealer", a "loser" or worse.)
The heavy hitters are regularly held up as shining examples of what's possible for everyone to achieve in this business -- despite the cold, hard reality that they represent less than 1% of all distributors, but earn more than 90% of all the bonus income paid by the company!
To qualify for bonuses you have to achieve the specified minimum Personal Group Volume totals in a month. (The justification for this is usually along the lines of "if we didn't have those high PGV requirements, you couldn't earn such high incomes. It's all for your benefit!")
To qualify for bonuses you have to achieve the specified number of downline (often first level, or personally sponsored) rank achievers for the month. To achieve those ranks, those distributors also have to achieve specified Personal Group Volume and Downline Rank achievers. (The justification for this is usually along the lines of "if we didn't have those high downline rank requirements, you couldn't earn such high incomes. It's all for your benefit!")

Very few companies don't have these kinds of qualification requirements. But these are the very features of compensation plans that create breakage -- often in vast amounts.

Here are some other tell-tale signs of a company profiting from breakage...

It operates a binary compensation plan, or any other type of forced matrix plan.
The compensation plan has group volume requirements to qualify for bonuses.
The compensation plan has downline rank requirements to qualify for bonuses.
The compensation plan limits the number of legs you can build (limited width)
The compensation plan promotes or requires building deep (the payout is distributed over numerous levels)

A word of warning

It's not possible to have a compensation plan with NO breakage at all. For a start, breakage will always flow to the company from the people sponsored directly by the company, usually in the start-up stage. What we're really talking about is excessive breakage caused by the kinds of compensation plan strategies and structures outlined in this article.

Why do most people fall for it? And how come they don't wise up?

I've been a management consultant to network marketing and other direct sales companies for more than 20 years. My consulting, publishing and training company has carried out surveys and other research over that time that's been supported or confirmed by other surveys and research. The results are very revealing...

The majority of network marketers are unsure of what type of compensation plan their company operates.
The majority of network marketers have only a limited understanding of the workings of the compensation plans they work with. They're almost never aware of the principles that drive them, let alone understand those principles.
Very few companies educate their distributors about the inner workings of their compensation plans (now there's a surprise!). Instead, they emphasise the products, the potential of the plan (as exemplified by the heavy hitters) and the achievements of the company. Enormous amounts of time, effort, money and resources are poured into presenting the company, its founders and key personnel in the most favourable and dazzling light, and into creating powerful emotional bonds to the company, its management and products.
Most network marketing companies and distributor organisations over-train their people and devote excessive time, effort, money and resources on training, tools, rallies and other distractions designed to keep distributors focused on activity and potential, instead of the harsh reality that most of them are not making any profit or sponsoring enough people. There's a cynical description that's been around for many years that says network marketing is "a room full of people getting very excited about not making any money." (Or, in too many instances, losing money they can't afford to lose.)

So, with all that investment in activities and events to distract peoples' attention away from the reality of their situation, it's little wonder that they rarely question their failure or, at least, their lack of success.

It boils down to a few simple reasons why companies get away with such high levels of breakage for so long...

The distributors are so focused on the company, their heroes in the company and the products to which they're so emotionally bonded, that they never think to question the compensation plan.
Companies rarely discuss their compensation plans because doing so is fraught with risk -- the last thing they want is people asking questions about the challenges they're facing in making the plan work for them. The standard response is to turn the focus back onto the challenger... YOUR weaknesses, failings, frailties, poor attitudes, etc. (Sound familiar?)
People don't know any better. They're so inexperienced in business and they know so little about how to properly analyse compensation plans that they simply accept what they're offered.

Are there any network marketing companies that don't profit from excessive breakage?

Yes, there are. But not many, because those huge hidden profits are very hard for company owners and managements to resist. Once they're hooked on those secret windfall profits (up to 50% of some companies' net annual profits!), there's no way known to get them to change.

They're few and far between and hard to find, but the good news is that those with high breakage are very easy to recognise... if you see any high personal group volume or high downline rank requirements in order to qualify for bonuses, you know the company is reaping rich rewards at your expense through breakage.

They're the tell-tale signs.

If almost-zero breakage appeals to you, look no further!

If you're serious about making worthwhile, GUILT-FREE income in network marketing, without ripping anyone off -- or being ripped off! -- you need to read my FREE, 36-page ebook, "How YOU can earn more money, in less time, with fewer people". It's a real eye-opener.

Send me a private message for the download link.

John Counsel
CEO, The Profit Clinic
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This is Who I Am ... This is What I Do (or want to do). :: Greeting From A Former Telemarketer! (who hung up the phone)

EthanEvans — Wed, 07 May 2008 23:52:41 GMT

Author: EthanEvans
Subject: Greeting From A Former Telemarketer! (who hung up the phone)
Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 4:52 pm (GMT -7)

Alright, well, an introduction of some kind is not only common courtesy, but
also something I enjoy doing.

My name is Ethan Evans and I've been making my living primarily as an
eBook publisher. I worked for a while at an outbound call center, and know
all the ins-and-outs of telemarketing.

Before I get tomatoes thrown at me for having inadvertently interrupted
someones dinner, I want you to know that I really disliked the outbound
telemarketing aspect of the job a lot.

Thankfully, the call center where I was employed also had an inbound
department that I got assigned to relatively soon after joining the company.

You were still expected to try to make sales, but it was significantly less
stressful than being shot out of a cannon with every call over on the
outbound side of the business.

Anyway, thanks to being persistent and focused, I was able to quit my job
that only paid $7.50 an hour and have been working full time primarily as
an eBook publisher.

That's my story! Anyway, it's great to be here.
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MLM... umm... err... Network Marketing :: RE: Network marketing what i think and my experience

profitclinic — Wed, 07 May 2008 21:58:07 GMT

Author: profitclinic
Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 2:58 pm (GMT -7)

Hi roamex

You just posted a "come'n'get me" call to every urger and forum spammer online with that post, so it's going to be really important for you to weed out the wannabes and scammers FAST.

Here are some handy FREE resources to help you spot them -- and deal with them:

The other thing you need to learn, fast, is what kind of compensation plans are the most lucrative, stable, secure and fair to everyone -- the part-timer (who'll quit if they can't make enough), the full-time professional (who'll have to work harder and harder to get new people in to replace those quitting) and the company, which has to make enough profit to survive so that YOU can stay in business too!

Balancing those three stake-holders is a delicate skill that VERY few pay plans manage to achieve. (I know. I've been designing compensation plans professionally as a management consultant to direct selling companies since 1987.)

Here are the ones that can NEVER achieve such balance -- one or more of the stake-holders gets rewarded at the expense of the others (usually the part-timers):

Binary plans -- sorry, binary fans... they're a poisoned chalice.
Stairstep breakaway plans -- you're never in control of your own share of the pie.
Conventional unilevel plans -- the real compensation is buried too deep for part-timers to reach.
Bottom-heavy unilevel plans -- even worse, because the gold is buried deeper still, but suckers are sold on their own greed. (This is deliberate abuse.)
Wholesale discount plans -- these create explosive internal pressure because of their manipulative structure.
Matrix plans (of any kind) -- these try to build businesses based on the absence of personal relationships in a business model that relies on the quality and durability of personal relationships. (Suicidal stupidity -- they never last.)
One-up, Two-up and Three-up plans -- always seem to be tied to overpriced products (usually content-based, which are unsuited to MLM) and produce resentment and abuse, always.
Hybrid plans -- currently popular (a bit of this plan, a bit of that, with a bit of the others thrown in). Hyped to the max, usually with big-name endorsements (who often aren't even actively involved), they're too often a cyncal exercise in mass exploitation of people's ignorance.

Any plan that's based mostly on a powerful emotional appeal to...

ignorance
greed
laziness
fear of loss
gullibility

should be avoided like the plague, because guess who your downline will mostly consist of?

Yep... ignorant, greedy, lazy, desperate, gullible people looking for an easy ride to riches with NO investment of vision, time, effort and self-discipline (the Four Cornerstones of Success in ANY business).

Not only will they NOT be capable of building your wealth and security -- they'll desert you to join the next "latest, hottest" deal that comes along with the same appeals!

Seriously, look for compensation plans that have very little breakage in them (and be sure to learn what the tell-tale signs of breakage are, because every company will assure you that their plan has NO breakage -- a bit like you asking your kids if they use drugs. Of course they'll say they don't!)

If you're in North America, AU, NZ, EU or SE Asia and you're genuinely serious about long term income security online, with the only kind of compensation plan capable of delivering it, PM me and I'll send you a link to explore.)

Hope this helps!

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Does Anyone Know Where I Can...? How I Can...? :: RE: If you could give one piece of advice?

profitclinic — Wed, 07 May 2008 20:41:51 GMT

Author: profitclinic
Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 1:41 pm (GMT -7)

Lots of great advice here that I endorse wholeheartedly.

The single biggest risks that I see daily in my consulting and training work with home-based business owners are these two...

They don't know the Law of Success -- without this knowledge, you obey the Law of Failure by default. (You WILL fail until your learn and obey the Law of Success.)
They don't know the difference between marketing and selling -- so they waste their time, effort, money, resources and hope chasing genuine buyers in all the wrong ways in all the wrong places.

You can get free Insight Reports on these vital topics from the links above.

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Does Anyone Know Where I Can...? How I Can...? :: RE: Blog

profitclinic — Wed, 07 May 2008 20:24:09 GMT

Author: profitclinic
Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 1:24 pm (GMT -7)

G'day Charles

LOTS of stuff here on the forum, but also plenty of info elsewhere.

Here's a list from Google.

Good luck!

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This is Who I Am ... This is What I Do (or want to do). :: RE: Hello from the Garden Isle

profitclinic — Wed, 07 May 2008 19:57:00 GMT

Author: profitclinic
Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 12:57 pm (GMT -7)

I remember an old joke: "What's hot and steamy and comes out the back of Cowes?"

A: The Isle of Wight ferry!

Guess they're all sleek, modern wave cutters and super-cats now?

Welcome to the forum!

John

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This is Who I Am ... This is What I Do (or want to do). :: RE: Re: my name

profitclinic — Wed, 07 May 2008 19:49:41 GMT

Author: profitclinic
Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 12:49 pm (GMT -7)

Welcome back Misty

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This is Who I Am ... This is What I Do (or want to do). :: Re: my name

mreyn — Wed, 07 May 2008 19:40:24 GMT

Author: mreyn
Subject: Re: my name
Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 12:40 pm (GMT -7)

Hi, Sorry took me so long to get back. My name is Misty. Nice to meet you.
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Travel & Tourism :: Home based travel business

mreyn — Wed, 07 May 2008 18:33:21 GMT

Author: mreyn
Subject: Home based travel business
Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 11:33 am (GMT -7)

If you are interested in a home based travel business, I'll be happy to offer information. I have my own home based business with my own booking portal website. No experience needed. This company is experiencing explosive growth right now, so it's a great time to start!
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Does Anyone Offer This Product or Service? :: RE: What Business(es) are you into?

mreyn — Wed, 07 May 2008 18:25:59 GMT

Author: mreyn
Subject: My 2 Home Based Businesses
Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 11:25 am (GMT -7)

I am an independent distributor with shaklee. I also have a travel business. both of these are run strictly from the internet using my websites. Shaklee is now expanding globally and I combined it with streamline magic ( a network marketing retention tool) and the travel business is receiving explosive growth, we even have our very own booking portal.
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Business-to-Business :: A question we all should ask...

Archangelus — Wed, 07 May 2008 15:36:35 GMT

Author: Archangelus
Subject: A question we all should ask...
Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 8:36 am (GMT -7)

Hi.

When we start a home based business, we should know how hard
we will have to work to achieve our goals.

Michael Dlouhy has taught us to ask The 10K Question.

"How many active distributors do I need in my business to generate
a walk away residual income of $10000 per month?"

We like the question for several reasons.

1. It leaves out products. We don't get into discussions like "My
juice is better than your medical plan!" or "My water filter is better
than your travel deals!"

2. The word 'active' avoids discussion of attrition rates and the
commitment levels of your team.

3. The phrase 'walk away' makes us investigate our policies and
procedures to make sure we can actually retire and pass our
business on to our children's children.

4. The word 'residual' makes us calculate how much money we
will make from retail or wholesale sales, not just from recruiting.

5. The figure of $10000 makes us think big. It's also fair to the
company, as most or all of the commissions and bonuses will
have kicked in by then.

If we started a job or bought a traditional business, we would
know our salary or the income projections from the previous
owner. When we start a home business, however, we rarely
ask that question, and we should!

We worked for five years in a business and discovered too late
that it was going to be almost impossible to reach our goals.
We wished we had asked the 10K question before we started.

If you do not know the answer to that question in your present
business, find out before you waste five years as we did.

If you are considering starting a business, ask the question.
If your sponsor or upline or company rep support cannot answer
you, RUN! As Michael Dlouhy says, "Run far and run fast!"

If you'd like some help to calculate the 10K answer for your
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you analyze your company's policies and procedures to see if
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Does Anyone Know Where I Can...? How I Can...? :: Niche Selection... 20 Websites To Help You...

Pete223 — Wed, 07 May 2008 15:23:36 GMT

Author: Pete223
Subject: Niche Selection... 20 Websites To Help You...
Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 8:23 am (GMT -7)

Here is a list of 20 websites to help you select and research
your Niche... A crucial point in being successful Online.

http://home-made-online-income.blogspot.com/2008/05/niche-selection-20-websites-to-help-you.html

Regards, Pete
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Does Anyone Know Where I Can...? How I Can...? :: RE: Blog

Pete223 — Wed, 07 May 2008 15:12:33 GMT

Author: Pete223
Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 8:12 am (GMT -7)

Hi Chastill,

check out this thread...

http://www.homebusinessonline.com/community/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3789&start=0&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=

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