Home Business Forums - Online Business Forums

Home Business Forums for small business owners to discuss online home business
It is currently Wed Dec 13, 2017 7:15 pm

A warm welcome to the forums!
We hope you will make this your home. Dave and Heidi, the founders of HomeBusinessOnline.com, are committed to helping you find all the information and resources you need to succeed in your home-based business. John is an excellent moderator of the forums and has an amazing amount of knowledge in small business.


-----> Hey, We Need Forum Moderators! <-----

Most Recent Forum Posts...

All times are UTC - 7 hours




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 17 posts ]  Go to page 1, 2  Next
Author Message
PostPosted: Mon Oct 11, 2010 11:05 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Mar 15, 2007 10:29 am
Posts: 4771
Location: Melbourne AU
G'day gang :D

It would be helpful for our less-experienced members to know WHY and HOW claimed benefits are achieved through SEO (Search Engine Optimization).

Contrary to the opinions of many SEO specialists, the connections between SEO methods and claimed benefits are not always self-evident, especially for newcomers to Internet promotion.

I'm not suggesting for a moment that they're not real or legitimate. What I am saying is that too many people claim benefits for SEO for which no cause-and-effect relationships are clearly apparent to inexperienced people.

It reminds me of people who claim that copywriting is the most important skill you need to succeed at online selling.

They conveniently ignore the long-established reality of the Four Advertising Performance Factors which show that copywriting actually ranks SECOND-LAST in impact on results.

These people almost invariably turn out to be copywriters or, more to the point, sellers trying to get you to buy either their copywriting courses or manuals, or their copywriting services. (Or they're ignorant affiliates mindlessly parroting promotional materials provided by the publishers.)

So come one, folks... let's get some accountability happening to justify your claims for SEO. Otherwise there's a reasonable basis for assuming that you're really just touting for customers for your SEO services!

John Counsel
Moderator


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sun Nov 21, 2010 9:23 am 
Offline

Joined: Sat Nov 20, 2010 10:34 pm
Posts: 3
These are excellent points and I want to add a few things as well. What works for some people do not work for others. This is akin to the luck a person has also being their own. You can't teach or share it. When it comes to SEO the methods have to be tailored to the product. You don't advertise your phone number and then never pick up your phone for example. Some people think if I just do an article that will be it here comes the deluge of sales! It has to be methodical for your business coupled with the right amount of luck!


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sun Nov 28, 2010 1:46 am 
Offline

Joined: Fri May 28, 2010 10:04 pm
Posts: 122
Great point you got there, sometimes i read stuff that may be written from a good intention but its not true!
Because the search engines algorithm is mysterious (especially Google), nothing is official and that need to make us more skeptic about SEO and always check all the time our assumptions.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 2:10 am 
Offline

Joined: Mon Nov 29, 2010 1:56 am
Posts: 6
for people posting about high traffic , it would be great to see a screenshot of their Google Analytics traffic information


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri Dec 03, 2010 12:49 am 
Offline

Joined: Fri Dec 03, 2010 12:24 am
Posts: 5
I do have a website on the first page of Google, under several of my search terms.
It took some time, but I would say when we concentrated on it, it really only took about
4 months. I believe the number one reason is because
1. this page does not have a lot of competition therefore it was easier to get up in high rankings
2. We did write thinking of our search terms

But, that was about it. I don't think it is still the same, I am working on a few websites now with huge competition, but
my theory is to look through Google Analytic or Market Samurai and look for key words that are not in high demand but still have a good enough demand so you can attempt to creep up the Google Ladder!

Proof: my search term (lets just use one)
Dirndl
My website: http://www.MyDirndl.Com

Moderator comment:
Before anyone takes this as carte blanche for posting links in posts, this one is illustrating a valid point.
Remember... what makes something legal or illegal, approved or not approved, is rarely WHAT you do,
but WHY and HOW you do it. This is a case in point.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri Dec 17, 2010 1:28 pm 
Nice post about the seo and its benefits..I would like to know more about seo.CAn you please share some more information regarding the seo benefits ,,Thanks and regards..


Top
  
 
PostPosted: Sun Mar 20, 2011 2:50 am 
Well i would like to say that growth of your business is directly dependent on SEO. I personally know so many site owners who are now millionaire just because they are applying great SEO strategies.


Top
  
 
PostPosted: Sun Mar 20, 2011 4:38 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Mar 15, 2007 10:29 am
Posts: 4771
Location: Melbourne AU
No, John. They're not millionaires just because they managed to get people to their sites through good SEO.

That was just step 1.

They also managed to get the right people to their sites, with the right offer, the right copy, the right pricing strategy at the right time, and the right products or services — that delivered value that outweighed the price and other conditions required to gain the benefits promised.

Without all of those factors in place, they'd have disappeared fast, with massive refunds, bad publicity and loss of credibility.

_________________
John Counsel — Global Moderator
The Marketing Doctor at The Profit Clinic
NEW to FORUM Marketing? Get better, faster results without breaking the rules.
FREE help at https://www.facebook.com/groups/ForumMarketingForBeginners/


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Tue Mar 29, 2011 1:55 am 
Offline

Joined: Mon Mar 14, 2011 3:25 am
Posts: 1
personally know numerous website masters who are now millionaire just because they are applying awesome internet search engine marketing strategies.

Moderator Comment:
1. This is a copy of a post by John Edword on this same board (scroll up). NOT a smart move!
Now your post is locked, your signature blocked and you're one step away from a permanent ban.
2. I also suspect that you use more than one username, which is forbidden under forum rules.
3. Your claim is nonsense. There are always more factors at work than just SEO, especially the quality of their products and services.
4. You've now been banned permanently for spamming!


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sun Apr 03, 2011 10:17 pm 
Without any effort we cannot achieve success in any field and the same rule is for SEO field as well.The benefits of SEO can be prominently noticed within 15 days if the practices followed here are white hat and efficient.But dummy techniques and blacklisted methods may result is reverse result in search engines.


Top
  
 
PostPosted: Thu Apr 07, 2011 6:42 am 
Offline

Joined: Thu Apr 07, 2011 6:39 am
Posts: 1
hiii,
i have something new and exciting for you,
you can find here whatever you want.


Moderator comment:
Isn't that a coincidence? I have something new and exciting for YOU, too!
Click here to discover what it is...

Oh -- and your faux signature has been removed. Time to read the RULES, okay?



If you're new to forum posting and marketing, you'll find these articles useful:



Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Tue Apr 12, 2011 5:47 am 
Offline

Joined: Thu Apr 07, 2011 8:03 am
Posts: 15
Location: Baltimore, MD
profitclinic wrote:
No, John. They're not millionaires just because they managed to get people to their sites through good SEO.

That was just step 1.

They also managed to get the right people to their sites, with the right offer, the right copy, the right pricing strategy at the right time, and the right products or services — that delivered value that outweighed the price and other conditions required to gain the benefits promised.

Without all of those factors in place, they'd have disappeared fast, with massive refunds, bad publicity and loss of credibility.


This is so true. I can't stand all of the offers that claim that you can make millions over night just by applying easy SEO terms. There's a lot more that goes into making a good flow website, than just simple SEO. Thank you.

_________________
[SEO Signature Removed by Moderator. Please read forum signature rules and modify your signature to comply. Thanks.]


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Apr 18, 2011 5:00 am 
SEO specialists should be open about any risks that you might be facing by taking them on and how those risks might be mitigated. One possible such risk might be damaging existing rankings or even being banned from the search results by one of the search engines.


Top
  
 
PostPosted: Tue Jul 19, 2011 9:26 am 
Offline

Joined: Tue Jul 19, 2011 9:12 am
Posts: 4
Hi John,

If I may be so bold I think I can explain why so many SEO "experts" don't back up their claims with hard evidence. I have learned how to SEO my own site from the ground up, and along the way I have encountered probably 5 posts containing misinformation or completely irrelevant SEO "tips" for every useful one.

I have come to realise that the world of Google optimization in particular is not only hugely competitive but also constantly changing. If I were to reveal all of the things I'd learned in my 12 months on the job it'd take the fun out of it for the rest of them! :lol:

Seriously though, the old cliches are usually proven true - you have to make a site that people want to use with good content that's relevant to your chosen keywords. Then of course comes the external links from sites like your own.. but then you know all about that. :wink:

[Signature blocked. Please read the rules on SEO backlink spamming.]
These SEO Spammers are all the same person on these forums:
lever559
attain98
enthusiast225
reveal928


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri Oct 07, 2011 1:57 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Mar 15, 2007 10:29 am
Posts: 4771
Location: Melbourne AU
mbabula wrote:
What type of evidence have to provide...??

Anything that will give substance to your claim.

That will depend on the claim you're making.

Naturally, the evidence should be verifiable, not just invented.

_________________
John Counsel — Global Moderator
The Marketing Doctor at The Profit Clinic
NEW to FORUM Marketing? Get better, faster results without breaking the rules.
FREE help at https://www.facebook.com/groups/ForumMarketingForBeginners/


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 17 posts ]  Go to page 1, 2  Next

All times are UTC - 7 hours


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 1 guest


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
cron
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group